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Since we are not talking of a small stay in your home and it could go on for longer than you would expect...I would say, leave her at the SNF. 

No matter how good your relationship is with your mom, the role reversal will take a toll on you, your family life, your relationship.  You'd be surprised how "caring" turns into "compassion fatigue" in a blink of an eye. 

SNF aren't a 5-star hotel...but they have what they need in order to keep them safe.  There comes a point in life where what you need trumps what you want!  Don't let guilt cloud your judgement.  You got this...just be there for her, be her advocate, and just love her...but keep your sanity in check!
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Beware before you jump into this it is ALL OF YOU !! AND I MEAN IT ALL OF YOU during the night when she's sick only you will be getting up changing diapers ...or cleaning up messes then you got to get up early to go to work.
your social life gone ,visitors gone , trips to stores gone,& even if kids say they will help they do not know what they are volunteering for....when they see what the truth behind getting old and dyeing process the kids RUN because it frightens them dirty diapers it will be ALL YOU!! beleive me !! And trips to toilet are NOT EASY especially in the early hours and middle of night when you are half asleep....and this can go on & on & on .....probably best to try for a weekend visit 1st and you do all then you will know in your heart if you are ready for this ,also consider the thought of your kids seeing this needy side of their grandma that is maybe not so good either but if you think you can and your family can ....TEST YOURSELF FOR 1 WHOLE WEEKEND 1ST
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CaregiverL Jul 2019
Lorraine12, I wish I did this first before I mistakenly took my dementia mother home...now it’s 2 years & 4 months . At first, I was going to do this for her 90th Bday, but a family friend (who since died) said to me, “If you take her home, she will not want to go back!” I bought the lift equipment before but was doing home improvements for a while...& that took longer than expected. Also. I didn’t want my mother to be cleaned out of all her $$$ to go to NH ...but what good is $$$ when you don’t have your health & marbles anyway. I tried my best & sometimes, it wasn’t my best due to me not feeling up to par. I feel so burnt 🥵 out ...no help from bro...sorry just venting...bringing mother home big mistake. There’s no end in sight...nobody helps me except paid private caregiver & only 40 hours...she doesn’t always know who I am or where she is. I was hoping I would never see this awful disease come to this point. She has had many combative days where she’s physically & verbally abused me. I’ve had to take tranquilizer because of this. Seroquel helps calm mom’s combativeness...I have managed to get out to movie or show sometimes..& p/t work...& even got mom out to occasional show on bway. ..but I take Aide w me too ..it’s getting harder now since my mother doesn’t assist or move a muscle...well enough of my complaining...do the smart thing & leave mom in SNF!!!!
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Do not bring her into your home!!!
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Intherecliner Aug 2019
Some of these posts seem opinionated and are telling the original poster what to do. I don't think we, who do not know the family, should tell them not to bring her home.

This decision should be made by the family and people and agencies who know them well.

Each case is different depending on who the family members are, how much outside help they can afford, and who the patient is.

Each individual situation needs a unique set of guidelines and this does not always depend on material details such as dealing with a catheter or on what another family experienced.

If you bring her home, you should enlist qualified outside help and figure out what alterations need to be done in your home for her.

Know that some agencies and individuals are adamant about protecting their rights and have no real idea what you're going through. This means they demand help with transfers, even when your loved one is a featherweight, so you;re actually being cranked out of bed when you're exhausted, and they think you can provide round-the-clock care by yourself without having a mental breakdown. This can also mean that they look narrowly at the welfare of the patient and do not think about the family members who can't possibly do 24-hour care by themselves.

If it was me, I would figure out if I can afford the alterations to make my home accessible to the patient, afford outside help, and know how much work and stress I can handle.

Some families are resilient enough to get up several times a night and handle the same level of care as a facility offers. If this family can figure out how to provide that and afford it, they should go ahead and I can't make a decision for them until I know them.
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Even with hospice, her care will fall on your hands 100%. The hospice I have only has a home-health aide come over twice a week for 30 minutes and it's not even scheduled so I don't even bother. IF you can hire someone as your employee to care for her 24-hours a day, then go that route. Typically a CNA (nurse's assistant) is about $35 to $40 an hour. A sitter (who does nothing but sits and watches, no hands on care) is about $20 an hour. IF you hire someone off the street you become their employer and you need to do their taxes--and if they claim to get injured in your home they may even sue your estate. A legitimate agency is licensed and insured by workman's comp so they can't sue you..but agencies do cost a lot.

A catheter will shorten her life due to urinary tract infections (poop will go into her bladder via the tube). Make no mistake everytime she has a bowel movement it will infect her bladder. Never use a catheter unless they are actively dying for comfort, or there is a medical reason like obstruction.

If not, if you can stand managing her bowels, changing her poo in bed and a lot of urine..and cleaning her privates due to poop going in private places then care for her at home. If not you are better off putting her in a nursing home. I don't know how long she has left, but if she is already on Medicaid you have no worries. If not, see an eldercare attorney to get her Medicaid prepared.

If you can't stand the cat's litter box..you never lived until you changed human poop in bed and it keeps coming out copiously...and forget working for a living. That's out.
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I think there is a HUGE difference between taking someone home from a SNF that has a couple of weeks to live, and taking someone home from a SNF who may live a couple more YEARS. Let's face it......we can handle almost anything on a short term basis: changing soiled undergarments, wet bedding and constant laundry/linen changes, hand feeding, Hoyer lifts to move, wheelchairs and medications and and AND. Since your mom has a very slow growing cancer and has already been in hospice care for 2 years, she may have a couple more years remaining, who knows? Are you prepared to devote every spare moment of your life to her care, and, every spare moment of your family time and children's/husbands life to her care as well? I see you have an aid for 40 hrs a week, but that still leaves the remaining 128 hrs in the week where you and your family will be taking up the constant care. If that's okay with the entire family, and they actually know what all is involved with such care, then go ahead and do it. But if everyone is not on board 100%, I think you'll need to leave her where she is and agree to visit frequently.
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CarlaCB Jul 2019
Absolutely. In my mother's case, she had a UTI that had quickly become septic, and she left the hospital AMA before treatment was completed, refusing any further IV antibiotics which were her only hope of her recovery. I knew she did not have long to live under the circumstances. She wanted to die at home tended only by her loved ones.

There was really no chance of a long, lingering illness lasting months or years. Had that been the case, and had she been bedridden, incontinent, and needing 24/7 support over an extended period of time, I would not have been able or willing to provide that. I would not encourage or expect anyone else to do that either.
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In this situation, it's important to keep your EMOTIONS out of the equation and think about the situation logically.

Are you REALLY prepared to deal with poop and pee every where for the rest of her life? Are you prepared to get up at 3 am to wipe her butt? Are you prepared to give up your personal and social life for the next however-many-months-or-years she will be alive? That's the reality of how it will be for you and your husband.

It does not matter if your mother is "unhappy" at the SNF. You and your husband deserve to have a "life" without taking care of a sick, elderly person 24/7.
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Lindam1958 Jul 2019
Great answer.
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You are deluding yourself. Let me tell you the realities of having a parent that needs toileting care. First there is the cost of having adult size disposable pull-ups. I pay $57 a case of 48. She uses a minimum of 3 each day. Then there are the "accidents". Ever changed a baby with diarrhea? Imagine the smell, mess and logistics of doing this for a grown woman even without that. A normal bowel movement is a good 30 minutes of care from me if she doesn't make it to the toilet. That includes a complete shower, change of clothes and cleaning of floors/chair or where ever she was when "it" happened. I would take 10 litter boxes EVERY DAY over this. I do it out of love. Pure and simple.
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Unless you have a problem with the NH she is in or have assets tied up together in a business, it may be easier to keep your mom where she is for now and think things through. Everyone is different. I cared for my mom on and off in my home for 19 long difficult months with stints of hospitalization and rehab until the last 7 months on hospice. She was also bedridden with a catheter after hospitalization for a fall. She had a stage 4 bedsore from the first rehab, a supposed Medicare 5 star rated nursing home, and a UTI that sent her into delirium in NH #1. She was hospitalized for that and afterward to NH #2 for rehab from that, where an incompetent aide dropped her in front of her wheelchair and broke mom's ankle. When they said she was done with rehab and needed 24/7 care, I took her home after the calamity of the first 2 nursing homes. She had more rehab at home, a hospital bed and equipment was brought in. People in and out all the time. It was a stressful time of ER, hospitals, rehabs where they kept telling us she would return home etc. until in the last rehab a kind, realistic nurse suggested my mom was ready for hospice. After all the trouble of the first 2 nursing homes, I took mom home on hospice despite the 3rd NH being better. Mom was tired and not wanting to rehab.
There were people in and out of my home all the time, delivering hospital beds, commodes and a hoyer. I will say that once on hospice, the nightmare of physical therapists giving unrealistic prognoses was thankfully over. My mom was 92 and not going to walk again. Once hospice came on board it was a relief and much easier than the physical therapists and rehab that seemed to tell us just what they thought we wanted to hear.
Most of the time the care was up to me though she had a great nurse and bath aides a couple times a week. My day began at 4 am...checked on mom, and when she was still sleeping I had about 2 hours of computer time, reading, coffee. Then once I entered her room at 6 am to empty the catheter bag, manage medications, give insulin shots, clean and tend the wound, clean mom, bring the breakfast tray....I was pretty much in and out of her room until bedtime. Once I had her settled in for the night, I would fall into bed exhausted and watch a little TV. Because she had a few bouts of delirium from UTI's, I was always listening for her to hear if she was talking. Several times she had hallucinations and would yell at night, once she said she saw a man at her window, another time she said the doorbell rang at 3 am, and though it didn't happen it was scary to hear. Another time she said she saw a woman's head spinning around on top of her TV. I kept a small light on this helped with the hallucinations at night. I was always listening for her all those nights. This went on for 7 months, and during that time my husband had a heart procedure, and I had an eye operation for a spontaneous retinal detachment. I wonder if stress caused these things to happen?
On the positive side, my mom at least had privacy and her own quiet bedroom. In the nursing homes TV's blast all night, which is horrible. I set up a CD player and played classical music and saxaphone jazz for her. She had a TV. I set up photos of her parents, my dad, her brothers and sisters on the dresser where she could easily see them. I bought fresh flowers each week for her room, and put a small vase of flowers on her dinner tray each day.
It was the hardest time of my life. I still have anger issues from this. The people that were incompetent, or just not there for even a cup of coffee with me.
Then just when I was starting to get my footing back and figure out that I had my own life a year after my mom passed on,... my husband's sister died leaving us to care for his 89 yr. old mom. She isn't fully dependent on us, but I fear one more run of this, or getting ill and never getting life back.
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Beekee Jul 2019
What a fkn nightmare! What would have done differently?
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You should leave her at the SNF.
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I would leave her there and begin to “persuade” her that this is where she should be.
You mentioned a bedsore; that in itself is a lot to care for
She has a catheter now and sounds like she definitely needs Nursing care. Frame it as too soon to talk about and that she is where she is because she is sick and her doctor wants her there. Talk up going to PT, anything to provide reasons for her to agree with you.

Try not to entertain her complaints and requests to go home. Just move onto another conversation. During your interactions be realistic and present it as the SNF/Rehab what is best for her care right now.

Realistically, while your intentions are very good, you can’t provide her with the care she needs, which sounds complex. Air mattresses for a hospital bed that you will need to arrange to be sent to your home after chasing down a provider willing to write the orders. Woundcare. Skincare and turning every 2 hours (even on an alternating pressure mattress). Incontinence care.

It will become a 24/7 job for you & your husband.

Please reconsider about taking her back home. See her often but not constantly. It’s very hard to leave her, I know, but she is in a SNF because she needs the care.

Divert those conversations & focus on the positive when you do see her. Explain gently that you physically can’t do the level of care alone that an entire staff provides for her now & how fortunate it is that she is there, etc. Anything to begin to prep her that she will need to stay at the SNF.

I went through this too. It was the hardest decision I had to make. Maintain your focus on the practical vs roll of the dice. Unless your mother has resources to private pay CG at home 24/7.

Best wishes for you !
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I forgot to address this:
"...then I think about how much I hate changing the cat's litter box..."

Initially I misread it and thought the concern was bringing your mom's cat in and having to clean up after it, but thought cat??? NH??? No way. I came back to check and sure enough, you were just comparing to cleaning up after mom!

Anyway... There is not much worse than a litter box that needs to be "changed" and "cleaned." It isn't so much the daily scooping, but the dregs that end up in there - it REEKS! I really detested all those litters with crystals too - I could smell THAT on my cat, despite the litter box being 2 floors down AND it did not resolve the "dregs." I was also concerned about what the cats were ingesting when they lick themselves - if I can smell it on him, then he/they are ingesting these chemicals!!!

I tried so many kinds so that I could get rid of that chemical smell/ingesting until I found one that works great. I actually avoided this one because of the name (usually anything that promotes itself as the "Best" isn't!) Once I did try it, I was sold! It is corn-based, clumps, is bio-degradable and flush-able. The BEST part is there are no "dregs". You scoop and dispose of the clumps and solid waste as usual and add more litter as needed. Once in a while I may need to wash a pan (I also have a LOT of cats, sometimes they get a little on the sides), but for the most part, the pan stays clean and you won't have to smell those "dregs!" Even when I do need to clean the pan, I dump the contents into another litter pan and the pan is DRY - no DREGS!!!

Personally I don't flush the litter because I have a septic system (it does indicate septic safe, but I have no idea how well maintained this system was before I bought it and with so many cats, no way.) I have several acres of land, so I collect the scooped out stuff in buckets and pitch them outside away from the house, not all in the same place - within days or a good rainstorm, no evidence!

I really cannot say enough about this litter. Some people don't like the smell of it. Some say it tracks or is dusty. I find smelling corn MUCH better than stale urine collecting at the bottom of the pan! I am SUPER relieved not to have to smell that urine or empty/scrub the pans!!! I also don't have to worry about them ingesting chemicals. As far as dust or tracking, I have yet to find ANY litter that doesn't track or cause some dust. I consider it part of having cats share my space, just like kitty dust balls.
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Ahmijoy Jul 2019
This litter is called “Best”? I have four cats and although I see scooping as just a fact of life with cats, anything that would make it easier would be great!
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Medicaid or Medicare should Pay for her Stay at Hospice. Notify them, It is Time. Best from the Rest Care over There.
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rovana Aug 2019
Keep in mind, that if you choose hospice at home, the main part of care will be done by family and/or paid caregivers.  Hospice at home does not involve full-time caregivers coming in and taking over. Frankly I think that caring for a bedridden elder is too much for at home, unless you can hire a lot of help. And bedsores? Sounds like professional care in nursing home would be wisest.
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We idealize and romanticize the loving support of being cared for at home surrounded by loved ones. When in reality, the little ones can’t take the smell if the grandparent is incontinent and it is impossible to keep up with the care. There is never a down time and husband and wife relationships suffer. Children of the elderly (sisters and brother of the caretakers) sometimes make themselves scarce because they don’t want to be bothered or asked to help out. It is a lonely, solitary experience. And there is no gratefulness from the parent. They expect this from their most devoted ‘servant’. Sorry to be so crass. I would never do this again. I have 8 yrs into it and although she is in hospice now, she is starting to respond very well to the comfort care she gets from hospice and her health is actually improving in some areas! Hospice sends the nurses and an aide twice a week for an hour on those days. But I do ALL the other work! I am going downhill fast and today I made a vow that I’m going to check out nursing homes with hospice care. I don’t think I can last much longer.

Please don’t take on this overwhelming responsibility. It is really for the professionals.
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CaregiverL Aug 2019
Love your name since we called my mother’s mother “Mima” & then my nephew started calling my mother “Mima” too!! So, when we got confused, we’d say,”Big Mima and Little Mima!”
Anyway, my mother (Big Mima) is 92 yo w dementia & I’m caregiving at home with her...she was in a SNF for 10 months after a fall, emergency surgery & rehab. She didn’t progress with the physical therapy & is now immobile. We use a lift machine. She has recliner wheelchair. She now has this new thing that she calls me ugly & homely. She gets combative physically & verbally. If she was at SNF & behaved this way, then they would send her to psych ward for medication adjustment. I’m burnt 🥵 out even though I get a private pay caregiver for 43 hours/week. Next week I’m gonna go to Yankee game while Aide is here all day. I’ll have a beer 🍺 & a pretzel 🥨 . Senior day Wednesday reduced ticket $$$. ..hugs 🤗hugs🤗
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I cared for my sister with Cancer in my home for 3 months until she passed and I would do it all over again.

I now have a 95 yr old dad that was living by himself up until a month ago and now needs Care 24 7.

He will be staying in his home whole I get Caregivers to Care for him as that is what he wants

I say bring you9 mom home. So what if you have to wipe her behind every day. She did the same for you at one time.

I think our loved ones should be happy during their last days on earth.

So if you can do it and it seems you can especially with Hospice help. I say go for it. In the end, you won't have any regrets.
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worriedinCali Aug 2019
The OP can’t do it though. Let’s bir forget that she is a person too, with her own life, her own feelings, her own needs. She has a job, a husband and small children. She can’t provide the care her mom needs.
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